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Gordon Kingston's avatar

"You are a moral disgrace" - that paragraph is so perfectly articulated.

I don't watch much telly but whenever I do see a political discussion on the topic, it's always three or four panellists taking the "moral high ground" against one - and using phrases such as "fleeing war", "fleeing a desperate situation", "only seeking a better life", "vulnerable", "we went all over the world ourselves (Irish)", "there's no link between immigration and crime", "you're using dangerous language", "that's the language of hate" etc etc... it can be dispiriting.

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Laura Perrins's avatar

Yes it is they that are disgusting. They don't get the high moral ground.

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Mfyffe's avatar
7dEdited

Just wait until they, or one of theirs, are bombed/r*ped/stabbed etc.

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Jos Haynes's avatar

Cannot wait!

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Andrew Marsh's avatar

Well presented and debated by Laura Perrins.

Here's the farce.

Two people connected by the same offence, yet for the purposes of the court they need 2 different translators.

Is the State and associated NGOs now claiming all of the migrants are unable to communicate or even understand only 1 language? That is clearly untrue.

Under Wammy Lammy MP the court translator bill has increased:

2021-22 – during the pandemic - £22 million

2024 - £32.4 million

2025 - set to pass £35 million

We are being played by some of the poorest and least educated people on the planet, 'assisted' by the NGOs and the State.

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Stout Yeoman's avatar

No it's not normal any more than was the abuse of tens of thousands of vulnerable girls in care by Muslim men of predominantly Pakistani 'heritage' over decades that those meant to protect them effectively permitted and colluded in.

We blame the establishment, the ‘luxury belief class’, the fear of being called racist – all true – but at root not enough people cared. The wartime song ‘There will always be an England’ contains the verse

There’ll always be an England

And England shall be free

If England means as much to you

As England means to me

The sad truth is that for too many England did not mean as much as it did to me (or thee) and with current levels of immigration and demographic trends it will mean something to fewer and fewer.

For nearly thirty years England has elected people for whom England does not mean much and it was with dismay that in the past few years I saw the same happening in Ireland. If it did matter then there should have been a general strike over keeping Maria Steen off the ballot.

There are people for whom England means something and people for whom Ireland means something (and a few, like me and thee, for whom both mean something) but just not enough of us. That is the grim conclusion no matter how we comfort ourselves with Kipling’s poems or patriotic songs.

There are occasional outbreaks such as ‘raise the colours’ or the Unite the Kingdom March in London, but theses nascent movements faded and nothing really changed just as the protest over Maria Steen faded.

If England no longer means as much to you

As England mean to me

Then England shall not be free

And England will soon not be

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Laura Perrins's avatar

I wrote about all these issues, here and at TCW

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Stout Yeoman's avatar

I know. Hence the reference to me and thee.

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Jos Haynes's avatar

The enemy within is always harder to counter than the enemy without. The first step is to recognise that these people ARE the enemy, even if they speak the same language as us. And the next step is to be as ruthless with them as you would be with a foreign power invading. That step will come sooner or later, but the later it comes the harder will be the fight and the more likelihood of losing. Did not Churchill say "Give us the tools, and we will finish the job"? That's what we need - the tools. Because co-existence with these people is simply not possible. It's them or us.

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Alan Jurek's avatar

Laura,

It's not normal it's treachery and those allowing it whether through cowardice, incompetence or evil intent deserve to be treated as Traitors!

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G Wooster's avatar

There is no moral or financial argument that can justify this mass criminal enterprise as a human right or humanitarian issue. One criminal act is too many. These self loathing and people who despise the west can’t wait to waken up in the morning to and to think of new ways to stress, demoralise and poison our lives. Unconscionable. And yet it continues at a pace. This is the erosion of safety, nationality and community cohesion. What’s almost as bad as the murders, sexual violence and misery imposed upon us is, if you have a problem with it you risk arrest or even imprisonment. Inverted reality by loathsome, repellent sociopaths. Our government and other governments are the facilitators of industrial scale human trafficking. Parasites, everyone.

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Anthony Stimson's avatar

While I'm not normally inclined to give the media the benefit if any doubts, on your say-so I'll make an exception in this case.

That people who consider themselves paragons of moral virtue will defend this state of affairs tells us pretty much all we need to know about those who think inordinately well of themselves.

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Stephen Gwynne's avatar

We need a special word for these special kind of scum.

They have sold their souls to the devil in old speak. A shylock is part of this lineage. They are of the same order as human traffickers and pimps. Woke isn't enough because their trade is all about importing evil and immorality.

There must be a historical precedence whether a fact based or fictitious character.

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GregB's avatar

"This post is hidden due to your country's Online Safety Act content restrictions."

I'd love to read this but I am required to let them take a 'photo of me and, in all probability, want to know my left foot size!!! Err, no.

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Laura Perrins's avatar

So I have just seen this now. I have reproduced it in full on Twitter.

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Jos Haynes's avatar

Which country are you in?

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GregB's avatar

England.

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Jos Haynes's avatar

So am I but I can read it without restriction. Why you?

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GregB's avatar

I assume that you have "age verified" somehow.

I did manage to read the piece on MyTwitFace.

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Jos Haynes's avatar

No - I have given no details about myself to any internet organisation. And I won't. I am aware we are all being monitored so periodically I use a private browsing window to throw the buggers off my track!

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Bettina's avatar

Very well said indeed. It feels like we have all been taken hostage by a rogue government that is inflicting these terrible atrocities upon us. I could not be more angry.

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Mfyffe's avatar

Not just "a" rogue government - a succession of rogue governments, most of the MPs in which are only interested in how much they can increase their personal bank balance while they are in office.

Most of them are intellectually sub-standard. They stink.

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Bettina's avatar

💯

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Charles Chevalier's avatar

How to do morality. Firstly it must serve the common good. If the moral impetus is to save people from persecution it must be done pragmatically, it must be rationalised. To do this many factors must be considered. The immediacy must be relegated by investigation of who these individuals are, what religion, culture and social practices they are immersed, and how this may impact our society. None of the above is considered, the moral imperative is made in immediacy. Meaning what is considered a moral obligation to outsiders is given primacy and where our governments moral obligation to our nation is secondary. This is not aligned with the rational moral agent, or indeed any reasoned philosophical position, but where moralising is secondary to ideology and or blatant corruption. What we have in mass migration is a moral philosophical corruption, one that is centred in eristic arguments.

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